...from the original was the one that looked like David Bowie. He was SO lifelike!!

...from the original was the one that looked like David Bowie. He was SO lifelike!!

Why do we need a sequel to this?

Why do we need a sequel to this?

Because we're Henson's talentless "suit" offsprings and we want another BMW?

Personally, I'm going to hold off with my fanboy wrath until I hear something concrete.

I doubt they've sold out, especially since they've gotten the original writers to do the script.

Personally, I'm going to hold off with my fanboy wrath until I hear something concrete.

The Dark Crystal (1982)
Directed by
Jim Henson
Frank Oz

Writing credits
Jim Henson (story)
David Odell (screenplay)

If you want concrete: That guy Odell has nothing listed on IMDB since the 80's, and he is guilty of such unforgivable scripts as Masters of the Universe and Supergirl... both adaptations of existing material, neither part of anyone's top 10 list of good stories.

What? You believed the press release cleverly worded to give you the feeling that they had the original writers? Tsk tsk tsk...

What? You believed the press release cleverly worded to give you the feeling that they had the original writers? Tsk tsk tsk...

So you think growing up in the Henson household, surrounded by Muppets and puppeteers, wouldn't give the Henson kids an inkling of what their father was thinking? Right. You're still judging them based on nothing - an assumption that they've sold out just because they're doing a sequel is still just that, an assumption.

Again, withholding fanboy wrath until something concrete about the movie comes out. What they've released says that they're going with the people originally involved, regardless of the crap they have put out since then. This says to me that they're attempting to recreate as much of the original impetus as possible to make the sequel as true to it as they can.

However, if it comes out and completely stinks, feel free to say "I told you so" - but if it doesn't, prepare for "Neener Neener Neener".

Talentless? Brian Henson was one of the executive producers of Farscape as well as directing many episodes, he was a puppeteer as far back as Labyrinth as well as several other Henson productions...

What? You believed the press release cleverly worded to give you the feeling that they had the original writers? Tsk tsk tsk...

How is it that you can irritate me so much through a simple posting?

I don't trust this. This sequel, over 20 years after the fact, to a story that wasn't open-ended. Years after the creator's death... I would trust it more if it weren't taking place about as late in the story as the sequel is in real life. This is setting off all of my bullshit detectors.

And as far as "talentless", that might have been out of line, I'm pissed off at the Henson company for the crappy DVD releases of Dark Crystal and Labyrinth, and for such slop as the new Muppet Show, with the 30% rastafariased New Host... he was about as good a character as Poochie, or Static Shock. It is very hard not to expect more of the same from these people.

but keep in mind that Henson was bought by a German company, and then the kids stepped in and reaquired the Henson company, so you can't lay it all on them...

Well then, I've been aiming my hate beam the wrong way? Allrighty then, take THAT, Germany! </hate>

and for such slop as the new Muppet Show, with the 30% rastafariased New Host... he was about as good a character as Poochie,

and for such slop as the new Muppet Show, with the 30% rastafariased New Host... he was about as good a character as Poochie,

Clifford wasn't a black dude because some network suits said "you need to be more urban to hit the target demographic." Clifford was a black dude because his puppeteer, Kevin Clash (the man behind such previous characters as Elmo, Baby Sinclair, and Splinter, among others), is a black dude, and Clifford finally gave him a chance to be seen as one.

Anyway, the rasta thing is to remind you of the Simpson's ep with Poochie... and I'm sorry, I don't care how good the pupeteer is, the character was uninterresting, and the show was bland and quickly got cancelled. They recycled an old show, but discarded the star and replaced him with a new, "hip" character. They didn't even promote someone people knew, they just shoved this down the fans' throat... it didn't take, and I see this as precedent.

Now, to be fair, I don't think it's impossible that the DC sequel will suck, I'm just saying that all evidence points to sucking, and love of the original is the only thing that fuels our irrational hope that it'll be it's equal.
Also, if you keep your hopes low, you might be pleasently surprised. If your hopes are high, you set yourself up for a major let down.

I think part of the problem is kermit has been retired, and that they had to think of something to do. While I didn't appreciate the jamacain lobster or whatever crustacean he was I think it's pretty impossible to re-capture the magic that was the Muppet Show in the late 70s. Stars don't do cameos for free, they have so many handlers now and the 'variety' show that the Muppet Show was modeled after really doesn't exist in the same format anymore. (Thinking of Carol Burnett, Sonny and Cher and what not vs. 'reality' television.

Though I must admit I'm looking forward to the Muppet Oz thing coming up soon on ABC to see how they handle it. I actually liked the Muppets in Space movie from the last go round, in my opinion it was much better than Muppet Treasure Island.

I think part of the problem is kermit has been retired, and that they had to think of something to do. While I didn't appreciate the jamacain lobster or whatever crustacean he was

I didn't like him, whatever he was... the confusing might have played an important role in that, the "I wanted Kermit!" was about 80% of it though.

Why do we need a sequel to this?

Because we're Henson's talentless "suit" offsprings and we want another BMW?