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		<title>By: joe__gee</title>
		<link>http://www.bureau42.com/view/3613/battlestar-galactica-3x08-hero/comment-page-1#comment-18761</link>
		<dc:creator>joe__gee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 19:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Not so original but, with a twist (I think)...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=&quot;cite&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Are they 100% sure that 100% of the population is immune? It&#039;d suck if 99.9% of the population was immune but 0.1% was still vulnerable. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yah it would. :)  This gives them new ammunition though in the war against the toasters.  What other viruses might be lurking around that humans have immunity to, but Cylons don&#039;t?  I&#039;d pay particular attention to encephalitis, even viruses that hang out in the nervous system, like herpes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;GIVE THE SKIN JOBS COLD SORES, DAMNIT!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Joe</description>
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<blockquote TYPE="cite">Are they 100% sure that 100% of the population is immune? It&#8217;d suck if 99.9% of the population was immune but 0.1% was still vulnerable. </p></blockquote>
<p>Yah it would. :)  This gives them new ammunition though in the war against the toasters.  What other viruses might be lurking around that humans have immunity to, but Cylons don&#8217;t?  I&#8217;d pay particular attention to encephalitis, even viruses that hang out in the nervous system, like herpes.</p>
<p>GIVE THE SKIN JOBS COLD SORES, DAMNIT!</p>
<p>-Joe</p>
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		<title>By: TomSwiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomSwiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 04:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Not so original but, with a twist (I think)...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=&quot;cite&quot;&gt;What I meant when I said innoculate the humans was:  Give everyone the virus, and the ones who die are obviously cylons.  Its a pretty easy and would be a pretty fast &quot;cylon detector&quot; :-)&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Are they 100% sure that 100% of the population is immune? It&#039;d suck if 99.9% of the population was immune but 0.1% was still vulnerable. </description>
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<blockquote TYPE="cite">What I meant when I said innoculate the humans was:  Give everyone the virus, and the ones who die are obviously cylons.  Its a pretty easy and would be a pretty fast &quot;cylon detector&quot; :-)</p></blockquote>
<p>Are they 100% sure that 100% of the population is immune? It&#8217;d suck if 99.9% of the population was immune but 0.1% was still vulnerable.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Wait a minute...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=&quot;cite&quot;&gt;Did, uh, did Baltar just have a Cylon Threesome? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yeap.  Baltar has successfully &quot;hacked&quot; another female cylon with a little quirk of their architecture we could easily call &quot;the love bug&quot;.  (Also, this makes me think/hope he isn&#039;t a cylon cause that would make the threesome would a lot less interesting.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The other news &lt;SPAN CLASS=&quot;spoiler&quot; onmouseover=&quot;this.style.color=&#039;#FFFFFF&#039;;&quot; onmouseout=&quot;this.style.color=this.style.backgroundColor=&#039;#111111&#039;&quot;&gt;from the cylon fleet, the skinjobs have started &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099582/&quot;&gt;&quot;flatlining&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<blockquote TYPE="cite">Did, uh, did Baltar just have a Cylon Threesome? </p></blockquote>
<p>Yeap.  Baltar has successfully &quot;hacked&quot; another female cylon with a little quirk of their architecture we could easily call &quot;the love bug&quot;.  (Also, this makes me think/hope he isn&#8217;t a cylon cause that would make the threesome would a lot less interesting.)</p>
<p>The other news <span CLASS="spoiler" onmouseover="this.style.color='#FFFFFF';" onmouseout="this.style.color=this.style.backgroundColor='#111111'">from the cylon fleet, the skinjobs have started <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099582/">&quot;flatlining&quot;</a>.</span></p>
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		<title>By: joe__gee</title>
		<link>http://www.bureau42.com/view/3613/battlestar-galactica-3x08-hero/comment-page-1#comment-18755</link>
		<dc:creator>joe__gee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 02:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Not so original but, with a twist (I think)...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=&quot;cite&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What I meant when I said innoculate the humans was:  Give everyone the virus, and the ones who die are obviously cylons.  Its a pretty easy and would be a pretty fast &quot;cylon detector&quot; :-)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Gotcha, that would work well. :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Joe</description>
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<blockquote TYPE="cite">What I meant when I said innoculate the humans was:  Give everyone the virus, and the ones who die are obviously cylons.  Its a pretty easy and would be a pretty fast &quot;cylon detector&quot; :-)</p></blockquote>
<p>Gotcha, that would work well. :)</p>
<p>-Joe</p>
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		<title>By: J_W_W</title>
		<link>http://www.bureau42.com/view/3613/battlestar-galactica-3x08-hero/comment-page-1#comment-18752</link>
		<dc:creator>J_W_W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 23:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Not so original but, with a twist (I think)...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=&quot;cite&quot;&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=&quot;cite&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hey, you know what.  They&#039;ve actually got a working cylon detector now!! Just inject someone with the virus and if they die they&#039;re a cylon.  They should &quot;innoculate&quot; every human with the virus now.  Of course they wouldn&#039;t do that because it has less drama.  I love this show, but thats the one plot hole I have so much trouble getting past.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m not picking on you, JWW. :)  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some immunology talk:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is an old virus to which humans long ago developed an immunity.  The fleet&#039;s doctors could innoculate every human with the virus: because humans are now immune it would never go &quot;live&quot;, meaning these people would never be contagious because they would never be shedding virus particles.  The virus they received from innoculation would simply be absorbed by their immune system.  It would be as if they were never infected.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To explain it another way, you could inject me with parvovirus.  Because my body has no receptors the virus could bind to, because I am &quot;immune&quot;, I could immediately, safely work with dogs.  My immune system would tag the virus particles with antibodies and the particles would be absorbed, not shed.  Fido would be safe.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The stretching of truth for me is the idea that a virus could survive for several hundred years out in the hostile environment of space.  Bacteria in spore form are incredibly tolerant of adverse conditions, but most viruses have a very limited life span outside of their host environment.  Many are easily damaged by environmental radiation, molecular oxygen, heat, or cold.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Again, I am not picking on you, but I don&#039;t think this virus is such a terrible plot hole. :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Joe&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What I meant when I said innoculate the humans was:  Give everyone the virus, and the ones who die are obviously cylons.  Its a pretty easy and would be a pretty fast &quot;cylon detector&quot; :-)</description>
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<blockquote TYPE="cite">Hey, you know what.  They&#8217;ve actually got a working cylon detector now!! Just inject someone with the virus and if they die they&#8217;re a cylon.  They should &quot;innoculate&quot; every human with the virus now.  Of course they wouldn&#8217;t do that because it has less drama.  I love this show, but thats the one plot hole I have so much trouble getting past.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not picking on you, JWW. :)  </p>
<p>Some immunology talk:</p>
<p>This is an old virus to which humans long ago developed an immunity.  The fleet&#8217;s doctors could innoculate every human with the virus: because humans are now immune it would never go &quot;live&quot;, meaning these people would never be contagious because they would never be shedding virus particles.  The virus they received from innoculation would simply be absorbed by their immune system.  It would be as if they were never infected.</p>
<p>To explain it another way, you could inject me with parvovirus.  Because my body has no receptors the virus could bind to, because I am &quot;immune&quot;, I could immediately, safely work with dogs.  My immune system would tag the virus particles with antibodies and the particles would be absorbed, not shed.  Fido would be safe.</p>
<p>The stretching of truth for me is the idea that a virus could survive for several hundred years out in the hostile environment of space.  Bacteria in spore form are incredibly tolerant of adverse conditions, but most viruses have a very limited life span outside of their host environment.  Many are easily damaged by environmental radiation, molecular oxygen, heat, or cold.</p>
<p>Again, I am not picking on you, but I don&#8217;t think this virus is such a terrible plot hole. :)</p>
<p>-Joe</p></blockquote>
<p>What I meant when I said innoculate the humans was:  Give everyone the virus, and the ones who die are obviously cylons.  Its a pretty easy and would be a pretty fast &quot;cylon detector&quot; :-)</p>
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		<title>By: J_W_W</title>
		<link>http://www.bureau42.com/view/3613/battlestar-galactica-3x08-hero/comment-page-1#comment-18751</link>
		<dc:creator>J_W_W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 23:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Not so original but, with a twist (I think)...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=&quot;cite&quot;&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=&quot;cite&quot;&gt;Bulldog was a spy. He should have known he could not be captured.  As Tigh said, Adama made the military choice he needed to make.  Bulldog&#039;s problem is that his friend tried to kill him, but he does understand why.  I agree with the others who say he could be a very interesting character.  Of course with 5 remaining, he could also really be a cylon.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That of course would be an awful choice of a person to send on a spy mission, but the cylons would find the spy right away wouldn&#039;t they?  Of course now he would catch the virus. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hey, you know what.  They&#039;ve actually got a working cylon detector now!! Just inject someone with the virus and if they die they&#039;re a cylon.  They should &quot;innoculate&quot; every human with the virus now.  Of course they wouldn&#039;t do that because it has less drama.  I love this show, but thats the one plot hole I have so much trouble getting past.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I see what you mean but, unlike some others, I&#039;m not as quick to agree with the President and absolve (sp?) Adama of all guilt in regards to starting the whole attack by the Cylons thing.  Yeah, yeah... I know that catching a spy isn&#039;t grounds for all out genocide but, as I&#039;ve stated before, the Cylons &lt;b&gt;aren&#039;t&lt;/b&gt; like the humans.  Just because we don&#039;t think it&#039;s enough to justify it doesn&#039;t mean that they don&#039;t as well.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Although they try treally hard to emulate humans, I think that it is something we should never forget: &lt;i&gt;they &lt;b&gt;are &lt;u&gt;not&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; humans&lt;/i&gt;.  That means that however we may view something isn&#039;t necessarily the way they do.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That still means that the Cylon attack was the Cylons fault. Overreaction is their fault, not Adama&#039;s.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don&#039;t know maybe I reacting to every character on Galactica needing to be flawed, and the stronger the character the bigger the flaw needs to be.  I&#039;m just refusing to see Adama executing the mission he was ordered to do as being a major flaw in him.  I sure as hell hope he doesn&#039;t go all self loathing victim like Starbuck did for a few episodes after they escaped new Caprica.  Thank the gods she appears to be back to normal.</description>
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<blockquote TYPE="cite">Bulldog was a spy. He should have known he could not be captured.  As Tigh said, Adama made the military choice he needed to make.  Bulldog&#8217;s problem is that his friend tried to kill him, but he does understand why.  I agree with the others who say he could be a very interesting character.  Of course with 5 remaining, he could also really be a cylon.  </p>
<p>That of course would be an awful choice of a person to send on a spy mission, but the cylons would find the spy right away wouldn&#8217;t they?  Of course now he would catch the virus. </p>
<p>Hey, you know what.  They&#8217;ve actually got a working cylon detector now!! Just inject someone with the virus and if they die they&#8217;re a cylon.  They should &quot;innoculate&quot; every human with the virus now.  Of course they wouldn&#8217;t do that because it has less drama.  I love this show, but thats the one plot hole I have so much trouble getting past.</p></blockquote>
<p>I see what you mean but, unlike some others, I&#8217;m not as quick to agree with the President and absolve (sp?) Adama of all guilt in regards to starting the whole attack by the Cylons thing.  Yeah, yeah&#8230; I know that catching a spy isn&#8217;t grounds for all out genocide but, as I&#8217;ve stated before, the Cylons <b>aren&#8217;t</b> like the humans.  Just because we don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s enough to justify it doesn&#8217;t mean that they don&#8217;t as well.</p>
<p>Although they try treally hard to emulate humans, I think that it is something we should never forget: <i>they <b>are <u>not</u></b> humans</i>.  That means that however we may view something isn&#8217;t necessarily the way they do.</p></blockquote>
<p>That still means that the Cylon attack was the Cylons fault. Overreaction is their fault, not Adama&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know maybe I reacting to every character on Galactica needing to be flawed, and the stronger the character the bigger the flaw needs to be.  I&#8217;m just refusing to see Adama executing the mission he was ordered to do as being a major flaw in him.  I sure as hell hope he doesn&#8217;t go all self loathing victim like Starbuck did for a few episodes after they escaped new Caprica.  Thank the gods she appears to be back to normal.</p>
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		<title>By: J_W_W</title>
		<link>http://www.bureau42.com/view/3613/battlestar-galactica-3x08-hero/comment-page-1#comment-18750</link>
		<dc:creator>J_W_W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 23:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Good episode gets better after a bit of thought.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=&quot;cite&quot;&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=&quot;cite&quot;&gt;Its obvious they broke Bulldog.&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is it?  I didn&#039;t get that impression.  I figured they didn&#039;t get any direct answers out of him, but then didn&#039;t really need to, anyway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I thought so.  His escape story was so lame.  Oh and we know he lied about the cylons being sick.  They told him the story to tell.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<blockquote TYPE="cite">Its obvious they broke Bulldog.</p></blockquote>
<p>Is it?  I didn&#8217;t get that impression.  I figured they didn&#8217;t get any direct answers out of him, but then didn&#8217;t really need to, anyway.</p>
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<p>I thought so.  His escape story was so lame.  Oh and we know he lied about the cylons being sick.  They told him the story to tell.</p>
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		<title>By: joe__gee</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe__gee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Hogan v. Hogan&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=&quot;cite&quot;&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=&quot;cite&quot;&gt;Everyone else does their usual superb job, but particular credit to Paul Hogan this week I think.&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;THAT is a hilarious thought.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Good ole Crocodile Tigh.  I picture Tigh and Starbuck holding eachother upright standing in the middle of a pile of Fosters cans singing &quot;Waltzing Matilda&quot;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tigh looks at Starbuck and says &quot;Me Sheila&#039;s dead, mate.  Crikey it&#039;s bloody awful!&quot; :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Joe</description>
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<blockquote TYPE="cite">Everyone else does their usual superb job, but particular credit to Paul Hogan this week I think.</p></blockquote>
<p>THAT is a hilarious thought.</p></blockquote>
<p>Good ole Crocodile Tigh.  I picture Tigh and Starbuck holding eachother upright standing in the middle of a pile of Fosters cans singing &quot;Waltzing Matilda&quot;. </p>
<p>Tigh looks at Starbuck and says &quot;Me Sheila&#8217;s dead, mate.  Crikey it&#8217;s bloody awful!&quot; :)</p>
<p>-Joe</p>
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		<title>By: FujiSkunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>FujiSkunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Good episode gets better after a bit of thought.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=&quot;cite&quot;&gt;Its obvious they broke Bulldog.&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is it?  I didn&#039;t get that impression.  I figured they didn&#039;t get any direct answers out of him, but then didn&#039;t really need to, anyway.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<p>Is it?  I didn&#8217;t get that impression.  I figured they didn&#8217;t get any direct answers out of him, but then didn&#8217;t really need to, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: FujiSkunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>FujiSkunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Good episode gets better after a bit of thought.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=&quot;cite&quot;&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=&quot;cite&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How did the Cylons know it was Adama that sent Bulldog over the line?  &lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Umm....by torturing Bulldog for intelligence about the ship and crew that sent him across the line?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; read the rest of my post, didn&#039;t you? :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I actually don&#039;t think Bulldog cracked, but, like I mentioned before, I believe in three years&#039; time the Cylons could learn what they needed to from him, regardless of whether he gave any direct answers.</description>
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<p>Umm&#8230;.by torturing Bulldog for intelligence about the ship and crew that sent him across the line?</p></blockquote>
<p>You <i>did</i> read the rest of my post, didn&#8217;t you? :)</p>
<p>I actually don&#8217;t think Bulldog cracked, but, like I mentioned before, I believe in three years&#8217; time the Cylons could learn what they needed to from him, regardless of whether he gave any direct answers.</p>
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